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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:44:44 GMT
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On 2000-01-16 [e-mail] said:

MS> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
MS> [e-mail] wrote:

MS> > The filenames are a bit of a puzzle, the archive formats are an
MS> >absurdity,  and when I try to politely ask what the reason(s) are
MS> >for this I get a  reply from Captain Kermit?

MS> The 'archive' formats are the way they are because they are not
MS> source archives.  They are holdovers from a time when it was
MS> necessary to bootstrap Kermit onto a machine using an ascii
MS> transfer over a (usually) dialed up connection.  There was no World
MS> Wide Web in those days and ftp was often not available.

Interesting but that does not explain the NONEXISTENT binary archives
does it?

MS> ..boo (bootstrap) files were a way to get a working kermit binary
MS> over a comm line.  Sometimes the binary was packaged with some
MS> documentation and an initialization file in a .zip archive and that
MS> was what was .boo encoded.  This is the nature of the 'archive' you
MS> saw.

Again interesting but is it a directory on an FTP server or a museum?

MS> > I don't recall seeing your name mentioned as one of the
MS> >programmers nor do  I recall being told there was a moderator of
MS> >this newsgroup.  Are you the  president of the kermit fanclub or
MS> >just some suckup looking for brownie  points?

MS> Is it that important who I am?

If you intend to take a `holier than thou' attitude yes it is important.
I don't want to offend a minor god.

MS> If you had read this newsgroup for
MS> any length of time, you would have seen my name before.  As I see
MS> it as a reader of this group, everyone was polite and patient with
MS> your questions until you started getting abusive.

Which of my questions did you find abusive, or was it that I have
questions that you find abusive?

MS> Maybe you didn't
MS> get the answers you wanted.  Maybe the answerers didn't understand
MS> your questions.  Maybe it didn't occur to them that you thought
MS> some .boo file was a source archive.

Maybe the moon is made of milk.  Maybe there is a Santa Claus.  I made
it perfectly clear that I was interested in examining the source code
for MSKermit (clear to anyone but a total idiot).

Frank D. Cruz is listed as one of the authors of TCPPORT.C and Columbia
University claims copyright on portions of the code yet I am told they
never worked together and nothing from this project found it's way back
into WATTCP.   Well guess what, somebody is zooming and it's not me.

This is at the top of the file TCPPORT.C in the WATTCP archived source
code.

/*
 * TCPPORT - make tcp connections from virtual serial ports
 *
 * Copyright (C) 1989, 1990, 1991, University of Waterloo
 * Portions Copyright (C) 1991, Trustees of Columbia University
 *    in the City of New York.  Permission is granted to any
 *    individual or institution to use, copy, or redistribute
 *    this software as long as it is not sold for profit, provided
 *    this copyright notice is retained.
 *
 *   This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
 *   but without any warranty; without even the implied warranty of
 *   merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose.
 *
 * Authors:
 * Erick Engelke ([e-mail]),
 *     Engineering Computing, University of Waterloo.
 * Bruce Campbell ([e-mail]),
 *      Engineering Computing, University of Waterloo
 * Frank da Cruz ([e-mail], [e-mail]),
 *    Columbia University Center for Computing Activities.
 *
 *   1.00 - May 13, 1991 : E. Engelke - stole negotiations from Frank's
 *             & F. Da Cruz   telnet portion of C-KERMIT
 *   0.04 - May  7, 1991 : E. Engelke - got echo/no echo working
 *   0.03 - Apr 24, 1991 : E. Engelke - hacked terminal negotiation
 *   0.02 - Mar 24, 1991 : E. Engelke - convert \r to \n for UNIX compatibility
 *   0.01 - Feb   , 1991 : E. Engelke - converted Bruce's program to TCP
 * - 1.00 -              : B. Campbell- created original program
 *

So now jump in here and tell me again how nothing from this project
found it's way back into WATTCP.  Ya' right.

MS> I tried to be helpful in my
MS> previous post. Did you read any of the information I pointed to?
MS> Or did you just focus on my implication that you were whining?

I read the post.  Did you read my post or just focus on the fact that
you think you are `Captain Kermit' or was it the suggestion that you
are a suckup looking for brownie points that bothers you?  The three
against one wasn't good enough for a `me too' like you huh?

Charles.Angelich